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what do you make of lapierre's performance today? >> you know, he showed his true colors, the true colors that he always shows which is he is not there to represent the voice of the american public. he is not even there to represent the voice of the members of the nra. he is there to represent the interests of the gun lobby, and he'll drum up whatever fear and paranoia and mistruths he can to promote that agenda. you know, it's kind of ironic that he began his testimony. i was sitting right there in the front row today. he began his testimony by saying he is there to give voice to 4.5 million nra members. if he is there to give voice to the members of the nra, he would be there advocating universal background checks, because that's what they support. >> because nine out of ten americans and eight out of ten members of the nra support universal background checks. so how he can speak for them, i don't know. this is the first time i've heard wayne lapierre kind of go into the fringe thinking that we have to have these firearms because w
what do you make of lapierre's performance today? >> you know, he showed his true colors, the true colors that he always shows which is he is not there to represent the voice of the american public. he is not even there to represent the voice of the members of the nra. he is there to represent the interests of the gun lobby, and he'll drum up whatever fear and paranoia and mistruths he can to promote that agenda. you know, it's kind of ironic that he began his testimony. i was sitting...
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lapierre, that is the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order. >> senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the committee, pointed out the last time he testified about this his testimony was the exact opposite. >> we think it should be mandatory for background checks at every gun sale, no loopholes for anyone. in fact it is the media's well-kept secret, they were the supporter of the check list now in place. we think it is reasonable to provide for instant gun checks at shows just like at gun stores and pawn shops. >> what happened between 1999 and now? for one thing, the tea party happened. people with even more extremist positions on several issues than the national rifle association. people flagrantly brandishing their second amendment rights at political events, specifically gun toting events for president obama, showing up in campaign e
lapierre, that is the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order. >> senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the committee, pointed out the last time he testified about this his testimony was the exact opposite. >> we think it should be mandatory for background checks at every gun sale, no loopholes...
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that would be fine with another star witness nra president wayne lapierre. mandatory background checks would be fine with him. patrick leahy of vermont ran that by him again. >> should we have mandatory checks at gun shows. >> if you're a dealer, that's already the law. >> that's not my question, please mr. la pierre, i'm not trying to play games, but if you could just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbiests and collectors. >> john: never mind the fact that they're all hobbyists and collectors until one of them shoots a lot of people. but what about sales where they don't care who buys their guns and certifiable deranged killers. could background checks work there? >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not be sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> john: that might have been true for another more recent gun violence victim. she marched as a majorette in the president's inaugural parade parade.
that would be fine with another star witness nra president wayne lapierre. mandatory background checks would be fine with him. patrick leahy of vermont ran that by him again. >> should we have mandatory checks at gun shows. >> if you're a dealer, that's already the law. >> that's not my question, please mr. la pierre, i'm not trying to play games, but if you could just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately, that it...
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lapierre that is the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. [ cheers ] >> i think you missed the point -- >> i didn't miss the point you missed the point. >> stephanie: oh my god -- >> i'm not wrong you are. >> stephanie: the majority of nra members are for this. >> yeah, it is outside of the scope of even the most stanch interpretation of the second amendment in terms of scalia and it's outside of the scope of what, you know, any person who interacts with these systems, these databases tell us there are huge gaps in terms of social security records, vas, there are government records of people who have been found incompetent that are not being shared with the database system. >> stephanie: it is huge. there is a terrifying piece about how the violently mental ill can guy guns. we couldn't even get wayne lapierre to say should there be a background check at our gun shows? >> right. >> stephanie: how do
lapierre that is the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. [ cheers ] >> i think you missed the point -- >> i didn't miss the point you missed the point. >> stephanie: oh my god -- >> i'm not wrong you are. >> stephanie: the majority of nra members are for this. >> yeah, it is outside of the scope of even the most stanch interpretation of the...
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lapierre that's the point. the criminals won't purchase the gun because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator i think you missed it. >> let there will order! [ overlapping speakers ] >> please, wait. everybody for a moment. >> cenk: that's fun, but you want to get a load of something really interesting, it turns out that wayne lapierre did not miss the point. he understood the need back in 1999 . . . >> cenk: now that's of course before the nra started to take massive amounts of money from gun manufacturers and the people who sell high-capacity magazines. all of a sudden what was very reasonable in '99 after getting paid a ton of money, all of a sudden totally unreasonable. let's talk to a guy who has been in the inner circle richard feldman who is a former lawyer and political organizer for the national rifle association, and they are now a little mad at him because of a book he wrote called "ricochet" and he is starting independent firearm owner
lapierre that's the point. the criminals won't purchase the gun because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator i think you missed it. >> let there will order! [ overlapping speakers ] >> please, wait. everybody for a moment. >> cenk: that's fun, but you want to get a load of something really interesting, it turns out that wayne lapierre did not miss the point. he understood the need back in 1999 . . ....
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lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there'll be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order! >> i think you're missing it. >> please wait. as i said earlier, there will be order. >> and the chair of the judiciary committee patrick leahy also tried to pin down lapierre on the same issue. background checks. >> should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? >> if you're a dealer, that's already the law. >> that's not my question. i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> with all due respect, that was not the question i asked. nor did you answer it. >> but i think it is the answer. >> mark glaze, if we can't get it done on background
lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there'll be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order! >> i think you're missing it. >> please wait. as i said earlier, there will be order. >> and the chair of the judiciary committee patrick leahy also tried to pin down lapierre on the same issue....
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i got a big laugh out of wayne lapierre. he actually trotted out the survivalist argument. >> i know. i saw it. we're going to show it. >> we might have a hurricane, and then it's going to be like stephen king, zombies. you know, you get three shots into a zombie, seriously. did anybody read "the road"? did anybody read "the road"? has nobody seen "the book of eli"? has nobody seen "the book of eli," really? that gary oldman character, he's scary. and if you just have a glock -- >> okay. >> you won't see a bible. >> no, you are cooked. a street sweeper. >> i need my bushmaster because the zombies are coming after me. there's going to be a tornado. the power grid's going down. locusts are going to descend from heaven. is glenn beck still selling survival seats, willie geist? >> i didn't get the subscription when he went to the new network. he did have those ads on fox but i haven't seen them lately. >> i need survival seats now. >> i'm going to get you some for your birthday. >> i think with every bushmaster that is sold, the
i got a big laugh out of wayne lapierre. he actually trotted out the survivalist argument. >> i know. i saw it. we're going to show it. >> we might have a hurricane, and then it's going to be like stephen king, zombies. you know, you get three shots into a zombie, seriously. did anybody read "the road"? did anybody read "the road"? has nobody seen "the book of eli"? has nobody seen "the book of eli," really? that gary oldman character, he's...
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wayne lapierre brought it up today. give him credit for that. 23 states in the district of columbia don't have submitted fewer than 100 mental health records. 17 states haven't even submitted ten and four states haven't submitted any mental records at all. isn't there a fair point to say that before we focus on expanding that we should enforce and execute the stuff we've got right? >> i think we have to do both. background checks work. what doesn't are loopholes in the system and we have to do everything to close those. those include updating our mental health records and including them in the background check system and then also requiring background checks for all guns sold in this country. right now, almost have the guns sold don't even require a background check, so that means that you can go into a gun store and be denied and drive down the street to a gun show and stock up on as many guns as you want and never have to take a criminal background check. >> that's the thing i don't understand. why is there a loophole
wayne lapierre brought it up today. give him credit for that. 23 states in the district of columbia don't have submitted fewer than 100 mental health records. 17 states haven't even submitted ten and four states haven't submitted any mental records at all. isn't there a fair point to say that before we focus on expanding that we should enforce and execute the stuff we've got right? >> i think we have to do both. background checks work. what doesn't are loopholes in the system and we have...
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lapierre. i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> okay. so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not. >> don't make me say it, we do not. the reason why wayne lapierre is physically squirming there, the reason he is trying really hard not to answer that question in an excerptable sound bite-friendly way that's going to turn up in an ad to damn politicians who might associate themselves with his group is because if wayne lapierre is paying attention, and i bet he is, he knows the nra stands very much alone in this country in opposing universal background checks for buying a gun. the last cbs news/"new york times" poll showed that nine out of ten americans, 92% support universal background checks for buying a gun. among nra members, his own members, 86% believe that anybody buying
lapierre. i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now unfortunately that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> okay. so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not. >> don't make me say it, we do not. the reason why wayne lapierre is physically squirming there, the reason he is...
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bullet number 13 went into a 9-year-old girl named christina taylor green. >> reporter: lapierre said that new gun laws would only punish those who don't break the law. >> law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of vie violent or deranged criminals. >> reporter: when it was over, kelly went over to shake lapierre's hand. the two had only agreed on one thing -- the need for stronger measures to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. but as giffords and kelly told diane sawyer earlier this month, they are hoping for more common ground than just that. >> so, it is the common sense consensus you're going for. >> we are. and i think most gun owners are in the same camp with us. >> when it can happen to children in a classroom, it's time to say -- >> enough. >> reporter: after the hearing was over, gabby giffords and mark kelly met with the president here at the white house. he is counting on them to help build public support for his gun control plans and he is going to need it, diane. right now, even the president's allies on capitol hill say it will be extremely
bullet number 13 went into a 9-year-old girl named christina taylor green. >> reporter: lapierre said that new gun laws would only punish those who don't break the law. >> law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of vie violent or deranged criminals. >> reporter: when it was over, kelly went over to shake lapierre's hand. the two had only agreed on one thing -- the need for stronger measures to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. but as giffords...
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take wayne lapierre's assertion. we shouldn't have any laws at all because criminals will break them. that's why we have the laws because they're bad things they shouldn't be doing. this is "hardball," the place for politics. pro. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. because they're bad things they . because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. [ male announcer ] yes, you could business pro. yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information,
take wayne lapierre's assertion. we shouldn't have any laws at all because criminals will break them. that's why we have the laws because they're bad things they shouldn't be doing. this is "hardball," the place for politics. pro. omnipotent of opportunity. you know how to mix business... with business. because they're bad things they . because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could...
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lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> ifill: durbin pointed to chicago, where there have been 42 homicides just this month, the most violent month since 2002. the latest victim: 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, who marched with her high school band at the president's inaugural parade just last week, was killed yesterday. >> i also want to say a word she attended the university prep school in chicago. she was an honors student and a majorette, and she marched in the inaugural parade last week here in chicago. it was the highlight of her young 15-year-old life. yesterday in a rainstorm after school, she raced to a shelter. a gunman came in and shot her dead. just a matter of days after the happiest day of her life, she's gone. we are awash in guns. the confiscation of guns per capita in chicago is six times the number of new york city. we have guns everywhere. a
lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> ifill: durbin pointed to chicago, where there have been 42 homicides just this month, the most violent month since 2002. the latest victim: 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, who marched with her high school band at the president's inaugural parade just last week, was killed yesterday. >> i also...
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lapierre some of your colleagues tell me senator you don't get the amendment. do you agree with that? >> if you look at why our founding fathers put it there is they lived under the tyranny of king george. >> jennifer: so there needs to be more guns in chicago to protect the citizens in this case the police who are trying to keep them safe. all of this in the name of freedom? what about a 15-year-old's freedom from being shot on the way home from school. then the senator responded. >> well, chief johnson you have heard it. the belief of the nra is the second amendment has to give american citizens the fire power to fight back against you. so how do you conduct your business in enforcing the law in not knowing what is behind that door? >> i find it to be scary, creepy, and simply just not based on logic. >> jennifer: it's based on fantasy and fear mongering, but that never stopped the opposition before, and it is not going to now. they keep pushing the nra argument that citizens completely armed to protect themselves against the tyrannical government and not jus
lapierre some of your colleagues tell me senator you don't get the amendment. do you agree with that? >> if you look at why our founding fathers put it there is they lived under the tyranny of king george. >> jennifer: so there needs to be more guns in chicago to protect the citizens in this case the police who are trying to keep them safe. all of this in the name of freedom? what about a 15-year-old's freedom from being shot on the way home from school. then the senator responded....
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so he says to wayne lapierre that's far from 62 and wayne lapierre says ah -- ah -- ah -- ah -- 62 -- i meant that was just the city of chicago. >> those facts they will get you every time. >> bill: yeah which is probably by the way even low for chicago. and then this woman who said every woman needed an ak-whatever in her home. she talked about this one case where this guy broke in she is in the closet with her kids and she calls her husband and he said shoot, and she shot and wounded the guy. and the gun she has is not banned by senator feinstein's bill. they are lying sobs. ike is down in charleston south carolina. hi, ike. >> caller: hey, brother, i'll get straight to the point. until one of these politicians or until people wake up and realize that we need the australian method to be put into effect, give these people two years to have their guns bought back by the government and after the two-year period if you get caught with a high-capacity round magazine or one of these weapons, it's a big fine we'll take your house, we'll take your assets and throw you in jail for ten years.
so he says to wayne lapierre that's far from 62 and wayne lapierre says ah -- ah -- ah -- ah -- 62 -- i meant that was just the city of chicago. >> those facts they will get you every time. >> bill: yeah which is probably by the way even low for chicago. and then this woman who said every woman needed an ak-whatever in her home. she talked about this one case where this guy broke in she is in the closet with her kids and she calls her husband and he said shoot, and she shot and...
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lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a back grounding check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> reporter: but can the president push a far-reaching law to tackle gun violence through congress? >> is he biting off more than he can chew? >> this is a president with a 60% approval rating right now. he is in his last term as president. this is the time to strike while the iron is hot. he's as popular as he may ever be. if he's going to go try to sell his agenda, now is the time to do it. >> reporter: president obama said in a univision interview yesterday that congress will pass bills on both gun violence and immigration in the coming months, but even some democrats like chuck schumer who support a wide-reaching bill are more optimistic that just something narrow like on background checks, closing that so-called gun shield loophole is really the thing that will have the most success. >> some dem
lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a back grounding check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> reporter: but can the president push a far-reaching law to tackle gun violence through congress? >> is he biting off more than he can chew? >> this is a president with a 60% approval rating right now. he is in his last term as president. this is the time to...
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caller: the same as wayne lapierre's. the problem is -- i lived in california number of years -- a person that i know lived in california number of years and had his gun stolen a number of times. he moved to the midwest and felt he would be safe and got a gun safe and screwed it to the floor. this time they broke the deadbolt lock completely out of the floor. they stole the safe and everything. these guns -- another friend of mine came out here for years until his health that at, probably he was making a six- figure salary, the head of a multi state corp., retired now. i can imagine the kind of house that he lived in. he had multiple layers of security and owned very expensive firearms. install his wife's jewelry and everything. the cops investigated and said it was a 15 minute operation from professionals. they said the guns are in chicago already. we need to do something about this criminal element. nothing is being done. mental illness, all these people doing the shootings are mentally ill. host: on twitter -- those ar
caller: the same as wayne lapierre's. the problem is -- i lived in california number of years -- a person that i know lived in california number of years and had his gun stolen a number of times. he moved to the midwest and felt he would be safe and got a gun safe and screwed it to the floor. this time they broke the deadbolt lock completely out of the floor. they stole the safe and everything. these guns -- another friend of mine came out here for years until his health that at, probably he...
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lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. it will stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator-- >> and i think it's basic. ( audience reacts ) >> senator, i think you missed-- >> let be there be order! >> reporter: much of the debate centered around a proposed assault weapon ban that would also limit the rounds in a magazine to ten. giffords' husband, mark kelly, argued those restrictions would have lessened the carnage jared loughner could commit. >> in 15 seconds, he emptied his magazine. it contained 33 bullets, and there were 33 wounds. >> reporter: but gun rights advocate gail trotter argued one person's assault weapon is another's last line of defense. >> and the peace of mind that a woman has as she's facing three, four, five violent attackers intruders in her home with her children screaming in the background, the peace of mind that she has knowing that she has a scary-looking gun gives her more
lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. it will stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator-- >> and i think it's basic. ( audience reacts ) >> senator, i think you missed-- >> let be there be order! >> reporter: much of the debate centered around a proposed assault weapon ban that would also limit the rounds in a magazine to ten. giffords' husband, mark...
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gabby giffords in conflict, dick durbin versus wayne lapierre and suggested just how hard the debate will be. giffords and her husband, mark kelly, made an emotional appeal to congress to expand background checks to gun shows and private sales. >> too many children are dying. too many children you must act. be bold. be courageous. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat. she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> but the national rifle association chair, wayne lapierre, came out aggressively against background checks, arguing that the legislation which has the best chance in congress will do nothing to stem gun violence. >> my problem with background checks is you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> we'll stop them from the original purchase. you miss that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order! >> and lapierre tried to turn the debate back on the administration. >> drug dealers with guns, gangs with guns, and felons with guns. they're sim
gabby giffords in conflict, dick durbin versus wayne lapierre and suggested just how hard the debate will be. giffords and her husband, mark kelly, made an emotional appeal to congress to expand background checks to gun shows and private sales. >> too many children are dying. too many children you must act. be bold. be courageous. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat. she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> but the national...
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lapierre. we tangoed, what was it, 18 years ago? you are looking pretty good [laughter] i would like to add something to the record. page 44 of the department of justice report of assault weapons as a percentage of gun traces. it shows a 70% decline from 1992-1993 through 2001-02. >> no objection. >> thank you. chief johnston, i would like to talk with you. i am very grateful for the support of your organization, the major chiefs. as well as the trauma surgeons to see what these guns do in tearing apart bodies. i have become very concerned as i looked at the bill before in 1993, at the technological improvement in these weapons over these years. one of the things we have tried to do in this new bill is prevent that from happening in the future. in looking at the ar-15 magazine on a device, which is legal, called a slide fire, i note that with practice, a shooter may control his rate of fire from 400 rounds to 800 rounds per minute, or shoot two, three, or four rounds at a time and just as easil
lapierre. we tangoed, what was it, 18 years ago? you are looking pretty good [laughter] i would like to add something to the record. page 44 of the department of justice report of assault weapons as a percentage of gun traces. it shows a 70% decline from 1992-1993 through 2001-02. >> no objection. >> thank you. chief johnston, i would like to talk with you. i am very grateful for the support of your organization, the major chiefs. as well as the trauma surgeons to see what these...
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things got heated when wayne lapierre of the national rifle association took the hot seat. >> so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances? >> we do not because the fact is that it is a failure the way that it is working. >> pam: the nra suggests putting armed guards in every school, something critics say doesn't address the problem of gun violence. some lawmakers want tougher background checks and a crackdown on gun purchases the president's task force against gun violence is going even further. pushing for a ban on semi-automatic rifles and assault-type weapons. a shooting in chicago kills a teenage girl who performed at president obama's inauguration. 15-year-old hadia pendleton was shot in the back. while at a park with friends yesterday. police say, the suspect is another teenager who allegedly started shooting at the group. a search is underway. hadia was a majorette in her school's band, and traveled to washington d-c earlier this month to perform at the presidential inaguration. >> nasa has launched a new communication satellite tonight. the unmanned atl
things got heated when wayne lapierre of the national rifle association took the hot seat. >> so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances? >> we do not because the fact is that it is a failure the way that it is working. >> pam: the nra suggests putting armed guards in every school, something critics say doesn't address the problem of gun violence. some lawmakers want tougher background checks and a crackdown on gun purchases the president's task force...